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Unread 10-31-2003, 03:32 AM
Dasher
 
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"Right or wrong, we all tend to gravitate toward those we feel comfortable with or who most resemble us. Someone considered radical will not fit in with the suits and ties of a conservative organization and vice versa."



There is a wonderful film called "A Penguin in the Land of Peacocks" (or vice versa, I forget). And if that one doesn't give ya something to think about, try "A Tale of "O" -- On Being Different". I recommend it to you highly and anyone else wishing to learn about diversity issues.

To hire someone who wore earrings during the pre-employment interview and then write a policy forbidding it, is stupid and asking for trouble.
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Unread 11-03-2003, 06:26 AM
Paul in Cannon Beach
 
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Before you write up that earring policy, make sure you are ready to be consistent with the policy and its enforcement. You should have some good business reasons that justify the policy. Also, you may need to include a paragraph for people who just had their ears pierced. New piercings can't be removed for a couple weeks. You may want to allow those folks to put a flesh colored bandage over their ear during that time period.

Also, do you have a general piercing policy? Lips? Nose? Eyebrow? Chin? How many ear rings can females wear?

We do not allow men to wear ear rings here because we serve a conservative clientele. Our justification is that we are not trying to put attention on ourselves.

Personally I think its fine for men to wear ear rings in some environments (Starbucks, tatoo parlors, hip clothing stores).

I myself have an ear ring hole in my left ear that is the lone remaining vestige of my formerly chain-smoking, poetry writing, leather jacket wearing, tragically hip self.

Paul in Cannon Beach, OR
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Unread 11-03-2003, 06:43 AM
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At a former employer (hospital) there was a policy that forbade men to wear earrings, but at the same time, did not forbid women to wear "discreet, non-dangling earrings". A male employee wanted to wear a stud earring in one ear and was told he could not. He took issue with this and sought counsel on it as it did not pose a safety issue and was "discreet". We were advised by our legal counsel that we should not have a policy written like this unless there was a safety issue as to why males could not wear earrings.

At my present employer, we do allow males to wear the small earrings. Our policy is written to forbid any dangling, distracting, noisy jewelry. We also forbid any visible tattoes or body piercings other than the earrings (by either sex).
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Unread 11-03-2003, 07:08 AM
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Rockie - did your legal counsel seriously give you that advice? I'm all for following the law - when there is one - what law did they cite in your instance? What protected right was the male employee missing out on? I know you're just following their advice - but let's carry the logic a little futher. It also says in many dress code policies that women MUST wear skirts or bras or pantyhose - in an effort for equality should those policies also state that men must wear the same things? I mean, if we are all about equality here - why stop at only the jewlry when crying equality foul? Fashion has changed and men want to wear earrings - fine, great, cool - but don't drag equality into the mix - how ridiculous!

There very well could be genuine business reasons for the policies and I would make sure I knew the business reasons for the dress policy before it was instituted - if there's a business reason against males or women wearing earrings - then I would treat the request as bogus - and shut it down right away.
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Unread 11-04-2003, 12:06 AM
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Mwild: As serious as an employment lawyer can be...I guess. In their "esteemed opinion" they saw it as a form of sex discrimination and there was no good business reason to keep a male from wearing an earring while allowing females to wear them. I also see the point of the same thing in any wearing apparel. There has to be a point where businesses can portray the image they wish to project to the public - personally I find spandex on 300 pounders offensive.

Anyway..glad I don't work for the hospital anymore. I now have the sole joy of writing the policies for our practice and try to keep them as generic as possible while giving enough leeway to the business to run like a business without being overly restrictive.
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Unread 11-05-2003, 04:08 AM
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Vicky:
I don't see the issue here?? Wearing of earrings by men has been well accepted in our culture for nearly 20 years now. As long as the earrings are tasteful, and not outrageous or flamboyant, I don't see any reasonable grounds for banning them. If you were to ban earrings, I think you'd have to ban them for both women and men, or open yourself to a discrimination charge. (BTW, I have both ears pierced, and wear one tasteful earring to work every day... no one has ever made a negative comment about it)
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Unread 11-05-2003, 05:23 AM
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>I don't see the issue here?? so long as the earrings are tasteful, and not outrageous or flamboyant

The issue is this; whose definition of tasteful, ourtageous or flamboyant is used? If the employer does have a right to define those terms for his business, then he has a right to enact policies that comport with his definitions. I have an engineer here who, almost daily, argues that our policies are not 'fair' and are not 'reasonable'. It boils down to whose definition do we use, his or ours. Of course the answer is that the company defines fair and reason in the development and application of its policies. We can go on all day long about who likes, doesn't like or cares less about men wearing earrings and whether or not codes 'should' be asexual in application. But, as long as a company has a right to establish such policies and is not prohibited from doing so, then it may do so.

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Unread 11-05-2003, 08:48 AM
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I think Ray had a post that I completely agree with regarding knowing your company's culture. I think this holds true when interviewing - you find out all you can about that company including the culture. If the company is conservative, then as an applicant, I would probably dress very conservatively for the interview. Our company allows both sexes to wear one earring per ear and I think this was to appease the many younger employees. The reality is that no executive will ever wear an earring. And they will have short hair, no facial hair except a neatly trimmed mustache and will dress conservatively. If one wants to climb the corporate ladder, talent alone will not be enough - one must mesh with the culture.

Elizabeth
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Unread 11-05-2003, 09:06 AM
Don D
 
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And these headquarters are in SAN FRANCISCO???
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Unread 11-05-2003, 09:23 AM
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Relative to culture, I did a preliminary phone interview today and the candidate asked about our "dress code" for management. She explained that she is the type to jump in and "get her hands dirty" and will not dress up just to appease someone's idea of proper dress. I explained that we are a casual company - Dockers, but no Birkenstocks. That put her at ease. The point, she was interested in our "culture" and was concerned about her fit and not sticking out as an apparent misfit. At first the question seemed odd, but then I realized it made sense and I appreciated what she was trying to accomplish. Same with earrings.
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